You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. TEXT: Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. 4. Just got home form a conference defending the faith. I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. Baptist. I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. The New Testament knows nothing of a Christian whos satisfied just to escape hell. Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. Beth and Priscilla both teach a false Jesus and a false gospel. I think you are judging and do not agree with you. Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. Moving Beyond the Motions And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. Go beyond our fears. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. I just do not think its right to judge anyones ministry it causes division with in the body of Christ why cant we just celebrate each other then we can learn from each other. Romans 8:24 For we on her, one of them probably will. read more, Scripture: I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. #1- Thank you so much for letting me know that link was broken. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. I'll start.I'll share with you 2 Scriptures that have given me soooo much comfort and encouragement these past few days and then I'll anxiously wait for you to share what Scripture(s) you have been meditating on lately, received a ton of comfort and encouragement from and/or used to encourage someone else. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access 2 Kings 5:1-15 If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. It will be called the good shepherd calls. ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. 2. (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. I can always use more people praying for me. - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? She goes beyond what is written in teaching men, in partnering with false teachers, in teaching unbiblical prayer practices, and in using improper hermeneutics. It would stand to reason that all those that have never heard of Christ have not accepted Him and therefore, as Rom 1 details, they die in their sin. I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! I read myself into scripture, too! The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? With continuous prayer, we have decided to proceed with her study but with open eyes to the objections you brought up. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . Michelle, God knew what He was doing. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! It does NOT say, and be baptist. but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. Jonah 2:10. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. We're called to not live by our feelings but by faith ( 2 Cor. The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. Romans 4:18. It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. God made you capable and smart enough to read His word in a systematic way, understand it, and grow from it. Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. We are committed to teaching the uncompromising truths of His Word. August 11, 2002 AM (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. These believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine, and Osteens. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. We only get to have the opinions of Christ as stated in the Bible. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. rather than on the Bible. Matthew 9:32-38. Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. Go beyond what's familiar. I would check with BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, and LighthouseTrails.com. In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? Im surprised to hear thats her position. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. Can you please provide a list of female speakers/writers whom you do recommend? It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. It takes courage based in Jesus for you to do so, I am sure. This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. #3 Priscilla teaches to listen for Gods voice. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. There are some instances in which it is biblically permissible for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible, but if the men you saw were there for biblical instruction from a woman, they were violating Scripture (see #1 & 2 here https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/). Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. - Theres lingering sin. Jeremiah 24:7. All of the resources and links Ive included are from credible sources (The disclaimer at the top of the list simply means I have not read everything ever written by every single resource Ive listed. And this faith is . CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? Verse 13. THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. She admits it. Sermon by Rick Crandall I think you might find this brief video helpful as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk. I am gonna pray for you. Can you explain ? Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. Defining Moment; Joshua 24 Preached at Midway Community Church June 11, 2000; Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. Evangelical Dark Web. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. You are an intelligent woman. Some of the points you bring up give me pause. Thank you! Or and be .. Did you feel any kind of fear? Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. Genesis 24:1-4. If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. Tools. Ive read her own account explaining this. and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) Priscilla Shirer is. I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: (Oh my goodness~ thank you for using the term hermeneutics, eisegesis and exegesis! You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. Could it be that, as Ms. Shirer, writes in the book Fervent once again Satan is working to confuse and stir up evil among believers? I want people to study their Bibles and use Scripture as the measuring stick for the things that are happening and being taught in the church today. No-one is beyond hope. She does teach and preach to men whether I say she does or not. #2 I wasnt aware that Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine and the Osteens were false teachers! 3. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Thank you MIchelle Lesley. read more, Scripture: Here they are promoting silence. But you have fired a shot across the bow and Im hoping that you will have the courage to further clarify your stand against a sister. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? If anyone has more info. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? Why would the Bible give us both descriptive and prescriptive instruction to warn against false teaching if doing so is a sin (gossip)? Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. GO FIGURE? What is a defining moment? Be a Christian Who Cares Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: If false teachers and their followers would simply repent and believe and obey Scripture, there would be no more division in the Body. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. In our modern read more, Scripture: However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. People Listen In Different Wayscan You Reach All Of Them? 1 You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. Verse Concepts. What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. Thats a rare find these days. Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. Evangelical/Non-Denominational. Assembly Of God. Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. No mention of sitting in silence or listening here nor in any of the other passages in which the Bible teaches about prayer. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. Feel free to e-mail me (MichelleLesley1@yahoo.com) if it would be easier for you. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. She was the chosen bride, not for doing the minimum, but for going beyond the expected. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. Kyfingers@aol.com The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. - Jonah didnt smell good. What we believe about that is irrelevant. read more, Scripture: Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. What an encouragement! Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. No-one is beyond compassion. Beth and Priscilla both disobey this biblical instruction. Priscilla Shirer is not as well known, which is probably why they havent gotten to her yet. The youtube video you offer here in your post is not available and Id kind of like to see what you were talking about. Go beyond putting ourselves first. Are they guiding and leading a flock ( a church )? Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: (And if you need any help getting started, Ive got some resources that will help you under the Bible Studies tab at the top of this page.) God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! 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